The Stone Roses

 Glasgow Green,

15th June 2013

 

live Review & Pictures by Craig McAllister

 

 

 

 

 

I Wanna Be Indo-oo-ors

The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There’s also a negative side.”

Gonzoid observationalist Hunter S Thomson said this 30 odd years ago. It’s never been more relevant today. The Stone Roses know all about the money trench and the thieves. For any good men and women attending their show at Glasgow Green, they will now, unfortunately, know all about the negative side.

At a gig of this magnitude, you expect all walks of life to be present; the good, the bad and the downright ugly, but this was something else entirely. Brad Pitt was in town a year or so ago filming zombie slopfest World War Z, and as the afternoon turned to evening, the Green resembled a lost cut of the movie. Had Brad been here, he’d have been looking for direction.

Or a way out.

It was as if every mental health establishment in the West of Scotland had simply shipped every one of its patients up the Clyde and into the park before flinging the key down the nearest, darkest well and doing a runner. Inside, the park was a human cesspit, a giant soup of slurring, slevering stupids in splatted bucket hats, barely able to stand or sit or stagger. It was horrible.

This isn’t supposed to sound snobbish, but it will invariably be taken that way in any case. So shoot me down. Music fans, the ‘real’ music fans who are regular gig goers and album buyers and live and breathe music like it’s some all-encompassing need for survival will be now be reflecting on a gig where more of the focus was on what was happening around them than what was happening on the big stage in front of them. Music is for all, and you can’t deny anyone’s right to like a band, but why is it The Stone Roses seem to attract the wrong element?

The ones in wee huddles, backs to the stage and openly sniffing and snorting their Class As off of credit cards and keys and whatever else provided a flat surface. Not there for the music, are they?

The ones pilled, powdered and poppered off the planet who, by default, created their own wee exclusive zone amongst the decent people where they could foam at the mouth and loll around, indifferent or oblivious to the sounds coming from the stage. Not there for the music, are they?

The ones tossing cups and bottles containing overpriced beer (and worse) with joyful abandon into the air and onto the crowd in front of them. Throwing pissiles is, I think, the phrase I’m looking for. There were hundreds of these cretins everywhere. Not there for the music, are they?

And the thugs. The 40-something year-old grown-up hooligans in expensive sports wear, pent-up aggression evidently at boiling point, perpetuating the underlying threat of violence if you happen to glance at them the wrong way. Not there for the music, are they?

With all this distraction it might’ve been difficult to focus on the stage. Just for the record, The Stone Roses were terrific. But you probably knew that already. I’ve seen them live a handful of times since 1989 and this was easily the most full-on, the most fluid, I’ve ever seen them.

If the sound of the first album is the sound of a band effortlessly gliding their own meandering way across 60s-tinged psychedelic pop, Glasgow Green was the sound of a band dive-bombing their own material with napalm bombs of funk – the muscled-up Second Coming band giving the first album the workout it didn’t even know it needed.

Bobby Gillespie had earlier invited us to Kick Out The Jams, but if anything, the Roses were hell-bent on doing the exact opposite. The 17 song set was packed full of add-ons, cheeky Beatles riffs when Squire thought no-one was looking and enough improvisation required if anyone still doubted this band’s ability to play. I Wanna Be Adored was given a coda akin to Sly Stone going 15 rounds with Jimmy Page.  Standing Here’s Hendrixian hysterics gave way to a beautifully extended and elongated chiming guitar part that ebbed and flowed like the tide on the Firth of the Clyde. Fools Gold, misplaced (to these ears at least) in mid-set was an astonishing exercise in 10? 15? 20? minute motorik, precision funk, its lazy Krautrock groove underpinned by Mani’s outrageously switched-on bass playing and Reni’s octopus-limbed polyrhythms. The best rhythm section around? I think so. Brown’s vocals, so often the brunt of ridicule and mirth sounded fairly decent. In tune, even. Although it could be hard at times to hear him amongst the out of tune voices barking approximations of the right words back at him.

The gig, the actual musical part of the gig was an absolute triumph. You’ll read lots of testimonies to that over the next few days and weeks as writers trip over superlatives in an attempt to help you fully appreciate it. In fact, I won’t be surprised if/when the Stone Roses let slip that Glasgow Green 2013 really is the best gig they’ve ever played. They simply were that outstanding. It’s just a shame that it was all played out in such shitty conditions.

47 COMMENTS

  1. Sorry to hear about your bad experience Craig. I have been to gigs where the crowd have been just as you describe and it is very intimidating. The Stone Rose at Heaton Park was one of my favourite gigs, not because of the music, I couldn’t really hear it from where I was right at the back, but because of the crowd. 70,000 people all in an absolutely joyous frame of mind, most singinging along with every song. Yes lots of them where pissed and lots and lots of them had taken lots and lots of drugs but everyone was happy. I got a massive buzz off seeing so many people really enjoying themselves and neve saw even a hint of any trouble. In fact on one of the rare occasions I heard the band I head Ian Brown saying if someone falls over, pick em up – cos thats what we do here! Awesome attitude, awesome gig. I believe the music was OK too from what I saw in Shane Meadows film!

  2. To be honest I’ve seen a lot worse.Think there is a bit of over exaggeration and artistic licence going on in the article.A 50,000 Scottish crowd is always going to have an element of nutters and I don’t condone anyone throwing missiles but unless you are wanting to watch the band on The Voice or X Factor then we all just have to get on with it.If anything it’s the security who should be getting criticized.

  3. It was the same at Heaton Park, so what if some of the locals wanted to get off their faces, its just the same as what they would do on any weekend, just you wouldn’t be where they were at and watching them doing it. People taking drugs at gigs is nothing new, why didn’t you just move somewhere else if it was that offensive. I lost my mates in heaton park and spent the night with a load of lads from Glasgow, they were welcoming, funny and we had a ball (I’m from north Wales). What did you expect at a gig from this type of band, sod off to a folk gig or Green Man or Latitude or the Hay festival and take your Pimms and middle class moaning with you.

    Party people, erm, partied.

  4. So the whole crowd is condemned because of a minority? It must have been great back in 89/90 when no-one took any drugs!. FFS, drugs have always been a part of the Roses scene. Yes there was trouble but you get that at every gig. Where we were there was none at all, just loads of people who were right up for it and the band certainly delivered. I’ve seen plenty of people who travelled from outside Scotland who have said the crowd was amazing and was like nothing they’ve experienced before. Can’t believe people didn’t expect to see people wrecked and the odd trouble maker at an open air gig in Glasgow. Talk about being naive.

  5. I had a walk around Glasgow Green throughout the day to meet friends coming in I didn’t feel uncomfortable at any point in the day I chatted to a few random people had a laugh and thoroughly enjoyed it, I can safely say that no one I was with or anyone I chatted to fits your description of how the crowd actually was “human cesspit” is a bit extreme there were so many decent people there who had a great day out. I’m not saying there was not of what you mentioned going on but I got the feeling you were describing the majority of the crowd and I strongly disagree with that.

  6. Not in the slightest bit surprised the crowd was like that. Went to Tinthepark for many years until the crowd became more and more just full of complete knobs. I used to drink and take drugs at gigs, that I do t have a problem with. Twats being even twattier whilst on drugs and alcohol is where the problem lies. Stopped going to Tinthepark when my girlfriend was attacked just for being English. Nice.

    Yes, the beer throwing etc. happens around the country but its far worse in Scotland. I live in England now and have been to many gigs both north and south of the border and trust me, the English crowds on a whole are far better. Fucking hell, there was even a queue at the bar for Elbow last year instead of the usual scrum. I know Elbow are hardly boisterous but it wouldn’t happen in Scotland.

    The Roses, along with the likes of Oasis and Kasabian, do unfortunately attract a lot of twats. It’s just the way it is.

    Sorry if it sounds like I’m down on Scottish crowds but I’ve every right to be. What happened at the darts at the SECC this year is just another in a long line of incidents.

    Glad to hear how good the band were though, despite how hard it can be to appreciate them at gigs like this.

  7. Wonderful gig – Roses sounding better than ever. We were stood on the crest of the hill, so a fair way back with some brilliant people, sharing booze, fags and a laugh. The vast majority were, as always, there for the tunes and the vibe. However (here it comes) there were enough dickheads to mean that I was very grateful for the really cool guys around us that made sure my wife didn’t get trampled and it didn’t get worse when someone got chinned and hid behind me! Frankly, if you want to spend as much time and money as we did to have such a great weekend and then not be able to remember it/regret it, go ‘head. Just don’t expect me to get in the way when you piss off someone bigger than you.

  8. This review sums up my views on the gig entirely. I was there for the music, I was lucky enough to be down the very front for the band, but had to endure several fights and awful antics from 40 year old neds the rest of the day. I’m glad I got away from the madness in time for The Roses, because I managed to watch, listen and appreciate what they were playing. I’m a massive John Squire fan, but I felt I was the only one there who was actually watching and listening to him.

  9. I congratulate the author on a really good bit of writing. He’s trying to “not sound snobbish” but I’m sorry, it does. Glasgow. The Stone Roses. Big, outdoor gig. Sunshine (well, some of the day)and what do you expect? The Roses have always attracted the neds as well as the aficianados. It’s the druggy connection, madchester (oh,how I hate that term)and “madferit” vibe that brings them out, same as how rave/club culture in Scotland is now all pale, skinny scheme-y scumbags battling with each other when the pills wear off.
    If you want to avoid the neds, don’t go to outdoor gigs and T In the Park-style scumfests.
    I’m frankly amazed that you thought it would be full of anorak-clad, fringed indie kids swapping stories about their favourite 14 Iced Bears show in this day and age. The Roses became public property, unfortunately for some, years ago.

    • Well “Joe!” Your varied and colourful descriptions of “Typical so-called fans!” Is a complete and utter one load of how can I put it??? PISH! I’ve been to Glastonbury,TINP,Wickenman,ITunes ves,V fes to name but a few and I caught the roses first time round! I’m having a feeling your just against young Glaswegians drinking at any music gathering! I was there,seen all,and some of you ppl should avoid any gigs of this type cause you don’t like the way of any mixed crowd! Take 50,000 out any city in the WORLD and it would happen there too if not worse! London and that general area is just a “Stab fest!” Did it happen up here? No and at least 40 or even 50% of the crowd came TO Glasgow to see the roses in action and that’s what they got! As MANI said himself “The worlds best band in the 2nd best city in the world!” Next time you venture out to any gathering,Make sure it’s a fucking CHRISTMAS PANTO @ THE PAVILION SUNSHINE!!!

  10. I was at the 1990 gig and this was was much better behaved, less football hooligans. This was Young toughs being held in check by the aforementioned casuals grown up and now looking for a fun hurrah, They did lose it though and took drugs beyond their capacity, all before resuming fatherly duties by visiting B and Q this week, but it was hamrless enough and good vibed without a doubt. It was a great gig.
    Billy Connolly said meeting a friendly Glaswegian is a bit like getting barked at by a Alsation, it’s all barking and seemingly aggressive moves. But you look for the violence it is seldom there. In fact all it is doing is reflecting your own middle class wall flower social awkwardness at being somewhere where you felt unnerved by uncontrolled mob.. Last week I was in a cinema watching made of stone in Glasgow and someone set off a fire extinguisher , right there in the cinema. Two choices , tut like my mum would’ve. Or thank Christ that there is some energy and rebellion left in this over sanitized conformist world.

    • Good man Greg. Nothing strikes fear into the heart of someone from Jordanhill or Newton Mearns like being stuck next to a load of punters from Easterhouse enjoying themselves. I was 13 in 1990…just to young for the gig…but these guys were icons for us. A symbol of hope. Some of us grew up right..others wrong. One thing prevailed…Adoration.

  11. truer words never been spoken , music phenomena , spoiled by generally east coast monkeys/ casuals . Watching Reni drum was a lesson to all (I am also a drummer and was blown away) a day with good potential spoiled fot the masses my the minority.

  12. I totally agree! Having been to Finsbury park the week before and having an amazing time I was so looking forward to gg! Got loads of Scottish.friends via my love for the view (whoo were amazing) I had a great time but there was an undercurrent I couldn’t put my finger on! The atmosphere seemed slightly aggressive to me, not fun like Finsbury park had been!

  13. That’s a shame about your bad experiences. I was expecting much the same and was dreading the crowd but we must have been in a few good spots and didn’t have any hassle at all. My only beef is people standing chatting/shouting over the music, especially when mani and squires were in full flow. I mean, what was so effing important that had to be discussed during the likes of fools gold… its the same at every gig tho, people are just strange!!

  14. First of all the gig was absolutely amazing. This was my fourth time seeing The Roses, it didn’t quite top Benicassim last year which is probably the best gig I’ve ever been to and the best performance of any band I’ll witness but it was mighty close. As for the crowd, it was a bit aggressive at the start I admit. coming down the trongate etc, lots of nearly fights but none that I actually saw come to anything. Once into the Green it wasn’t too bad though, LOADS of drugs flying about but hey-ho, it’s rock and roll after all man. There is always a scummy element to these gigs but The Roses will be the first to tell you that they were the scummers at one point!
    For me it’s more a sign of the times, there was definitely a bit of madness in the crowd, there was definitely a bit of aggression but look at the state of the government and the poverty in Glasgow these days. I don’t think certain people quite get that to be honest, Glasgow is a bloody poor city right now and The Roses will always appeal to the poorer elements of society because they are something to believe in and what you saw at Glasgow Green was everything that comes with that, warts and all. People are fucking skint and getting pissed off.

    I’m sorry but this is punk music at the heart of it and people are on the edge of rebellion up here because of the situation that has developed.

  15. Wasn’t there but not surprised. Could write an essay on this subject. They do attract a lot of twats unfortunately. This doesn’t mean people can’t complain about it though.

    So much of a person’s enjoyment of a gig is luck – who they’re situated beside etc. You just need to look through the comments for the people who were unlucky.

    Just like the adage that everyone has a friend they don’t like, and if you don’t then it’s probably you that everyone doesn’t like, it’a the same with twats at a gig. If you don’t think there were any, you’re probably the dickhead.

    Is the author “snobbish” for his opinion. Perhaps, but after going to around 300 gigs for the last 20 years I’ve virtually given up because of the reasons he states. My girlfriend’s been attacked for being English at one for a start (Tinthepark – surprise surprise), and I’ve just grown so tired of people talking all the time throughout a gig. I talk at them too, just not all the time.

    I’ve no problem with people getting fucked up either. God knows I used to do it all the time. The difference is I didn’t turn it a complete tool who would throw beer about and fight.

    Anyway, I could rant for ages about this. To summarise, he shouldn’t have been surprised there was so many idiots around but he’s every right to complain about them.

    • I’m glad you don’t go to gigs anymore mate…you sound like a complete pain in the arse! Bet you enjoyed them more when ye were 18. Why don’t ye write an essay on that? “Why does everything I love get less enjoyable as I get older?”

      • Mick, you sound exactly like the type of selfish little shit that the writer was complaining about.

        I’ve no issue with people drinking or snorting whatever powder takes their fancy, as long as they’re able to handle it.

        If you come to a gig to enjoy the music, have a laugh & dance with your mates & soak up the atmosphere, we’re not going to have a problem.

        On the other hand if you choose to chuck cups of beer or urine about, stomp all over my feet, act aggressively when asked politely to move, shove me out of the way, blow smoke in my face, then you’d better believe we have a problem & I’ll have no qualms about getting the nearest bouncer/security guy to throw your sorry arse out of the venue.

        People like you put YOUR enjoyment above everyone else instead of having a bit of respect for the fact that most people there have paid a sizeable chunk of their wages (or even bigger chunk of their benefit) to be there. Contrary to what you appear to believe, you’re not the centre of the world & you’re certainly not the resurrection.

        So take your snotty faux-rebellion (aka arseholery) elsewhere until you learn how to commune with decent society.

        As for all the accusations of middle-class snobbery, bollocks. I grew up in Govan, to working class parents. They still managed to teach me manners & to have respect for others. I know that a lot of people are marginalised in Glasgow right now but a gig like this should be a pleasure & an atmosphere of communal joy- that’s what the Roses were all about. Punk approach to the business but Ian Brown is no punk- he’s a hippy.

        “They’re not there for the music”. So true.
        Sadly, gigs are the new night out down the dodgy local nightclub & festivals are the new 18-30 weekend away. That doesn’t stop me going but it does affect my enjoyment on occasion. People like Mick are the reason.

  16. Utter cod sh1t! I’ve been to plenty of gigs – and I must have seen Ian Brown on stage over 10 times. This gig was fantastic. The crowd is what made it. I was surrounded by loads of happy Roses fans singing their hearts out. I saw the band at Heaton Park – and in my opinon, this gig was far superior in every way.

  17. Whilst it’s fair to say that I saw more than my fair share of scraps and by that I mean proper kick offs that you had to be pulled out of the way of, I also met some genuinely great people with whom it was a privilege to share the gig and sing my heart out with. We travelled to Glasgow from North Wales and had one of the most random yet bloody brilliant weekends we’ve had in a long time! For every football hooligan knob head that was there (and there were more than a few) there was also a genuine Roses fan there to have a bloody good time and enjoy the music. The band were ace, the weather wasn’t bad, the booze was flowing, I was there with good friends on top form and my new acquaintances were like long lost family by the end of Resurrection……fighting, piss flinging pricks didn’t stand a chance of spoiling it for me……..

    • Fair play to ye Abby! Call it what it was. A great gig witnessed and appreciated by a huge crowd with a few nutters. I’m a Glasgow boy and don’t appreciate the tone of a lot of this discussion. Having said that…the author rather set the tone himself. A few folk had bad experiences at an event attended by 50’000 largely working class people. A shame but a fact of life all the same. I,like you, had a ball!

  18. I had a similar experience in Dec 2011 at an Ian Brown gig in Liverpool. Fat meatheads shouting ‘Play Fools Gold’ and laughing, then turning round and staring at anyone who had the audacity to stand anywhere near them… At a gig full of people. Absolute whoppers. Ian Brown actually stopped a song mid-flow and told two different guys to behave, telling them: “If you’re not here for the music, fuck off!” Sounds similar, right?

  19. Me and my husband attended Heaton Park last year were 75,000 people gathered in unison yes openly doing drugs and drinking but all there for one reason,to see the stone roses and to have a damn good time. There was not one bit of trouble in Manchester fast forward one year later to Glasgow Green and its a different story. People who were also doing drugs and drink but obviously couldn’t handle it as they repeatedly threw all sorts in to the air,my hair was soaked with beer wine and all sorts. I also lost count at the amount of people barely awake from too much of the heavy stuff not to mention the lack of knowing how to look after one another in crowd pushing or pits! If someone falls pick them up if someone wants out help them and don’t involve people in damn fucking annoying fighting!!!
    Of course not all the crowd were like this and we eventually settled in a spot were people jumped up and down and sang along. And before anyone asks how many gigs I’ve been I’ve been going to hundreds over the years and never witnessed such morons Like I did on Saturdat,there should have been a good atmosphere it was lack lustre at most and spoiled at times.
    Funny how 75,000 people in Manchester can behave yet 50,000 in Glasgow green act like they’ve never had a drink before,such a shame it shoulda been the best but probably was the worst oh and btw I’m Glaswegian

    • Your not from the Calton though are you? Nor are you 18 I’m guessing. The Stone Roses attracted boys(and girls) from the schemes over 20 years ago. Little wonder some of them are now unruly adults. The vast majority of the crowd were fine and the band were amazing. May I suggest Coldplay next time?

    • Sorry but I was at Heaton Park last year too on the Friday and Saturday and on the Friday people were storming the boozers and kicking off. Like I said before, I saw one scrap at the Green, didn’t amount to much because the people around them sorted it out. Sorry about your hair getting wet from the alcohol, that must have been horrific.

  20. I live in Glasgow and went to the gig on saturday and have to say I was shocked. I was expecting to see a few states, its summer, its the roses at glasgow of course people are going to go for it but I was gutted at the to out of it to cheer, make a noise anything. Thing that saddend me most the boys pull out all the stops piper, reni drum solo, kind words to the city and sounding amazing with not much back. Personally I think the roses have inherited oasis fans, lads that like to scrap, chuck pints of piss, its something they need to address. What iam worried about is it going to put them off playing here again, I hope not.

  21. By far a better gig than Friday and Saturday at Heaton park and T in the Somme last year. I don’t know anyone that had any hassle at all at the gig and I’m not saying there wasn’t any idiots but fuck me if idiots are going to spoil things for you strap yourself in and don’t leave the house we’re talking about an amazing band with fans stories of taking £20 pills and younger brothers and sisters trying emulate that I’d go back in a heartbeat
    One Love

  22. Spikes my arse, typical woman who cant handle her drink then claims somebody spiked her. Growup you lightweight.

  23. I am a Glasgow hackney driver and have experienced all sorts over the years, some great, some horrendous. Saturday I wasn’t looking forward to because I was expecting trouble from a crowd of 50,000 going to see a band closely associated in some peoples view as a neddish type band. I can sincerely report I did not have one crossed word the whole day and met some of the best and funniest folk I have had the pleasure to pick up over the years.
    I would work 100 Stone Roses gigs again rather than face the foulest mouthed, worst behaved, drunkest, lewdest dregs of society I have experienced in the past few years at Take That concerts at Hampden.

  24. This was one of the best gigs i’ve ever been to! The crowd were great but we were at the back near the FOH. On the flip side I went to Benicassim a couple of years ago and got beaten up by a crowd of Spanish crusties…

  25. Yeah, there were people taking drugs and who probably woke up on Sunday with little recollection of the gig but it was the Stone Roses in Glasgow , not Michael Bolton at the Hollywood Bowl. I saw more violence and just as much drunken behaviour at Heaton Park than I did on Saturday, but I’d have to be an absolute clown to condemn the whole audience.

    For the record, I’m teetotal.

  26. I thought the atmosphere was great the whole day. Yes there were loadsa people out their faces but its a music festival in Scotland what do you thinks gonna be happening? What was it 20+ arrests? I seen one idiot punch someone before he was dragged away by the girls that were with him and another 2 guys pushing each other. I never felt at unease at all the whole day. Finally the Roses were fantastic and I think that is down to the crowd being so up for it! I woulda went back on the Sunday if they had been playing again.

  27. I must have spent the whole time the roses were on in Reni adoration mode and been lucky enough to miss all this supposed shenanigans as the whole gig was nothing less than a phenomenon for me . Well apart from the attention seeking twat who wanted to make some form of impression on whoever that i kindly helped over the barrier at the front a wee bit quicker than he was expecting ( not much harm done ;) ) . The fans partied away, sang their wee hearts out and coped fantastically despite having 50000 behind them that could have crushed us at any point and didn’t . Proud of you all and roll on the next visit from our extended ‘family’ from over the border .

  28. I was there on Saturday & yes there was a lot of nutters in the crowd but hey it’s a open air gig in Glasgow. The Roses & oasis have got that kind of fanbase. I was in Heaton park last year for the roses gig & it was a gig i’ll never forget, one united crowd drugged up & drunk singing there wee hearts out but the gig on Saturday was totally amazing. The crowd was like a wave of smiley happy people up for the roses. Cesspit it was not. The piper playing the SR on was a right touch. Only downside was i didnt think primal scream was up to scratch.

  29. I had an absolute ball, I was surrounded by my friends 16 of us in total! We were unaware of the mental crowd, did have a laugh at and with a few of them though! The line up was amazing and the weather turned out good too! One of my best days ever! I saw The Roses in T in the Park last year but I thoroughly enjoyed the line at The Green! Must admit like Dee Primal Scream were a bit dissappointing, The View, Jake Bugg and The Stone Roses were amazing!

  30. DISAGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE REVIEW, I FOUND THE CROWD TO BE PLEASANT AND FRIENDLY, MOST PEOPLE WERE TIPSY AND HAVING A GREAT TIME BUT THATS WHAT FESTIVALS ARE FOR, IF THERE WERE LOTS OF BAMS WHERE YOU WERE STANDING YOU SHOULD HAVE MOVED AS THERE WAS PLENTY ROOM, AND HOW ANYONE CAN SPIKE YOUR DRINK THAT YOU HAVE PURCHASED AND HELD ON TO FOR DEAR LIFE WITHOUT IT LEAVING YOUR HAND IS A MYSTERY TO ME! IF YOU THINK YOU WERE SPIKED YOU SHOULD PERHPS QUESTION THE COMPANY YOUR KEEPING !!!!!

  31. Spot on review of The Roses but very harsh about the crowd. Yes lots of drink and drugs but I found the vibe a friendly party one. Saw them here in 1990 and so hoped they would live up to the magic of that night and was not disapponted they were superb. Lost most of our group but met a good bunch of young fans and had a brilliant night. Support great too.

  32. Is this a wind up??……I mean, are you serious??…..Is this a little boy looking for attention???….sorry to come across as mean, but this review really hit a nerve with me!!…many people have said it and I must repeat it, but to tarr 50,000 people with the same brush is the attitude of a sheltered wee boy with his balls held by his over-protective parents. Your review, whilst well worded, was a pile of shite and a very small minded one at that. I wish I had met you at the gig on Saturday as this is how that would’ve played out…ME: “hey mate…why the dour face?”..YOU: “can’t enjoy the gig because one can’t hear the music over the extras from World War Z!!”…ME: “ach, don’t be daft mate…here, have a wee swally and move over here with us, we’re havin; a rare time over here…”…YOU: “no thanks…I’m actually secretly enjoying moaning the face off everyone I meet and bringing the rest of the crowd down with me…tally ho old bean!”…ME: “suit yourself mate, whilst I feel sorry for you, I hope you have a great time anyway!!”…we would then part ways and I would go on to have probably the best gig experience of my entire life and I have been to so many. I was at the Friday opening gig at Heaton Park last year and my experience there was nothing compared to my experience at the Green. I thouight that Heaton Park was full of the same out their tits people, some hell bent on being a nuisance, but were kept largely in check by the rest of the crowd, who were there to see one of the most iconic bands of our time!!..Mate, no matter what outdoor musical event you go to, you will always get the odd idiot, but mate, if you feel threatened by them…move somewhere else, or ultimately…grow a set!!

    ..rant over…apologies if I offended anyone, but glad I got that off my chest…now I can relax and get back to work…One Love x

  33. Depends on your standards but I find being showered in other people’s pee totally unacceptable. Why should this behaviour be accepted as part of the ‘festival experience’ . It ruined my day!

    • Well said, Ashley. HUGE difference between people having a laugh, being a wee bit lairy & those who think it’s a great laugh to pee in a pint glass & chuck it randomly into a crowd. It’s repulsive & every single time I witness it happening, i have a word with them & if they do it again, I report them. Just wish every one would do the same. It’s usually harder to find securoty at an outdoor gig, though.

  34. As the writer of this piece I feel I should reply.

    It’s not often I’ve written something that’s caused such a reaction. I don’t know if I should be pleased or not.

    Anyway. There are two sacred cows under scrutiny here – 1. The Stone Roses. 2. The famous Glasgow audience. If I’d chosen to write only about the band this piece would merely be another flowery piece of congratulatory prose cementing the Stone Roses rightful place in the list of greatest bands ever. But I felt it was my duty to report on the crowd.

    I’m not naive. I’m not blind to the kind of audience that the Stone Roses attract. I’m liberal, open-minded and tolerant of many things. If you knew me you’d know that. However, it was clear from the off that Saturday’s crowd was a bit different. Even before The View had finished their set, my friends and I had been hit by a flying cup of someone else’s piss. “What d’you expect? It’s the Roses in Glasgow on a summers say, we’re outside…what d’you expect?” That’s what the bulk of folk on here are saying. Not that, that’s what I’m saying. We moved shortly afterwards to a far better spot. Jake Hugg was on. Everything was great. Then Primal Scream came on. Everything was even better. But slowly, like a tide coming in, we found ourselves surrounded by the aforementioned hordes. We moved again. We went walking around to find z better spot. It made little difference. I’m not saying everyone was like this, of course they weren’t, but a vast proportion of people were. They were!

    I think what I’ve upset most people about is that I’ve dared challenge the myth that Glasgow audiences are the best in the world. “Second best city in the world,” to paraphrase Mani. Some people on here are rightly upset that I’ve said things that they feel misrepresents them. You’re not all slevering stumbling morons in Remi hats, but hundreds were. And it was those piss-throwing, backs to the stage, looking for a fight. knuckle dragging idiots I was having a go at. Some artistic licence may have been used to get the point across. I make no apologies for writing what I did, but I do apologise if you feel misrepresented. If you do, I wasn’t talking about you in the first place.

    I could’ve (maybe should’ve) focused more on the music. Did anyone else notice John using 4 different guitars for the opening 4 songs? Did anyone else stand open-mouthed (watch that pissile, now) as Reni and Mani locked into the groove? Did anyone else notice how John managed to get all the studio noises out of his set-up during Fools Gold? I could go on. But I won’t.

    Again, sorry if you were offended. Like I said. ‘Shoot Me Down’. You certainly did. Most of you. Thanks to the brave folk who backed me up.

    One Love, and all that jazz.

    • Your piece struck a chord with me like no other gig review I’ve read. I wasn’t at the Roses gig but if I’d spent the money on a ticket, I’d have been livid to have had that kind of experience. Can you imagine the council being able to run The Big Day in 2013? That was how outdoor gigs & festivals should be & that was at the height of rave culture & during yet another toxic Thatcher government. Just thousands of Glaswegians, other Scots & tourists wandering the city, beer in hand & loving the sun & the music.

      Fortunately, most people are not like the hundreds you experienced. Sadly it only takes a small number to spoil the enjoyment of lots of others. In the end, the fashion for gig-going as an alternative to the pub or club will fade away & the music will prevail. How I long for that day.

  35. It was my first time seeing the Roses, and it was a great gig. I witnessed no trouble at all. Anyone I was talking to we’re cool, most of which had travelled from outside Glasgow to see the band. Sure, a lot of folk were off there tits, but I never witnessed any aggression or violence at all. I think people go with a predetermined idea of what Glasgow is like ( myself included), but any time I’ve visited, all the folk I’ve met have been dead friendly. This review seemed a bit harsh from my viewpoint.

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