we're all in it together ! stone roses return
we're all in it together ! stone roses return

we're all in it together ! stone roses return

20 thoughts during the Stone Roses gig

(Shane Meadows is looking for your stories about the Stone Roses for his documentary on the band…go to this link)

Reni
You can’t keep your eyes from the drummer.
He may have just recovered from being unwell and could have been excused for being rusty but he was as effervescent and free flowing as he was in 1984. He plays like no other drummer. He has the power of rock- his true love but an amazing funk and his drum rolls are pure melody.
As soon as he kicks in you know its him, a truly distinctive style.
Reni’s backing vocals are so good they make the band a five piece, also a great guitar player (go and check out the youtube clips of his post Roses band The Rub). After the press conference he was worried about having the stamina to do this but tonight he drummed like he could have played for hours. People used to check out the Roses just to see Reni in the early days- I would urge you to do the same now even if you don’t like the band.

More gigs
After the gig there was talk of another secret gig. It could have been in the heady excitement of the post show comedown, it could have been wishful thinking- there’s not a lot of time till Barcelona to squeeze one in but this is the Stone Roses and they don’t operate by the rules. Best to check the band’s Facebook page and website for more info.

Liam Gallagher
I bumped into Liam after the gig, met him a few times before but I just want to underline how humble he is and nothing like the tabloid image he has been saddled with. He still plans to go to a lot of the Roses shows and was happy to take a side roll in the Roses comeback gig- no airs and graces, no bullshit, just a northen lad in love with rock n roll and the Roses who just happened to be in the biggest band of the nineties.
I still think Beady Eye are underrated and also that he should speak to his brother but he wasn’t having that. He told me about the second Beady Eye album they are working on and words like Spector and All Things Must pass cropped up and we both agree that the George’s triple post Beatles album is the true post fab four masterpiece. That made me think that anyone who loves that record has a spiritual side because the coolest thing about George Harrison at that point was that he made records that oozed with spirituality without being boring. Maybe Liam is unconsciously spiritual and he can’t express it- that sort of thing is not very northern to blurt out! that’s what we have rock n roll for and that’s why we become singers or players- to blurt out the stuff that we can’t say in real life.

Warrington
Just like Blackpool the Stone Roses staged a key moment in a town sneered at or forgotten by the hipsters and it worked. The audience was mainly local, there was a great bit on TV this morning when a woman said she was going shopping when she heard news of the gig and had to run down to Parr Street with her Roses record sleeve which she picked up from home to get a tickets. Shane Meadows camera crew were telling me that they were filming the gig and when it was announced that people were running out of their houses to the gig, thrilled at the Roses playing the gig and thrilled that Warrington was briefly the centre of pop culture.

Ian Brown
Of course he had the iconic stuff nailed down, he said he was slightly nervous before the show and that is understandable- a crowd in love with a band is harder to play to that one that is not- expectations are high and no-one wants a let down. When he walked on stage Ian had the swagger thing down. It must have been great playing the local big hall in the town you were born in, that means something, he spent the first few years of his life in a terrace not far from here.
There was talk of his singing and despite few wayward notes in Tightrope- a song that is tricky to sing, his voice was strong all night. He sings higher again capturing the feel of the early songs- the twelve months off the fags and the dropping of the keys of the songs slightly all helped here.
This debate over the singing is getting boring now. The great Manc frontman are communicators not opera singers. Shaun Ryder, Morrissey, Ian Curtis, Mark Smith- they communicate across the song and it all sounds better for it, like Bob Dylan it’s what you do with your voice which is far more important than the boring stuff than singing in tune which is for those auto-tuned X Factor goons.

Mani
Grinning like a Cheshire cat and swinging his bass with pure pleasure of being home at last, Mani was conversely the one that wanted this the most and the one most at home in his post Roses world.
Playing in Primal Scream was perfect for him but the Roses is something else.
His bass was high in the mix and slinky and tight.
A new collection of basses with Damon Hurst psychedelic swirls or chrome plaited with, what he told me after the show were carvings of Dave Hill- the guitar player from the mighty Slade embedded on them, all had the required bass wobble.
On his bass amps he has a load of gurning Toby Jugs- one amp is covered in jugs with police and judges on them- could be an interesting merch idea here.

John Squire
As he stands there playing he makes it look so effortless and easy. It’s like he’s playing guitar at home just pealing out the riffs. You notice that he is the master of so many styles from the chopping wah wah to pure sixties beat like the Monkees, there are the Hendrix trills, the Jimmy Page blues and plenty of his own stylings- it’s like a six string encyclopedia.
After the gig he is more worried about the sound out front- a consummate pro- when John walks on stage he wants to get this tight whilst Ian and Mani bound on the stage like two naughty egg throwers thrown out of class at school- covering up for their seriousness.

Shane Meadows
The perfect choice to make the film, Shane Meadows comes from the same scooter boy/skinhead background as some of the band and understands that the Stone Roses story is the story of British street culture- the post punk youth tribes that existed beyond the Hacienda in Manchester. This was a world of sharp clothes, black music and anthemic street punk records as well as scooters and weekenders. It’s a little documented world and one that has a great opportunity to be documented here. Meadows’ own series of films are some of the best films made in the UK in the last decade culminating in Made In England, a classic film that moved the stereotyping of skinheads beyond being right wing morons and showed them as real people.

The set list.
Obviously as a warm show it lasts only an hour- mostly culled from the debut album- could this be a clue to where the band are going with the new songs? the mooted ”˜psychedelic pop’ that Ian Brown mentioned to us a few months ago? There were a couple of curveball b sides that showed they have learned a pile of songs in depth and two from Second Coming, including an unexpected Tightrope and the massive Love Spreads that is really coming into its own now.

New songs
An hour before the gig was announced I was interviewed on BBC 6music about the rumour of the Stone Roses playing new songs in their set on the upcoming tour. The songs do exist in varying stages. There are demos of Ian and John on them and there are jams between various band members, my guess is that there is stuff that is demoed up fully as well and don’t forget that this is a band that took it time to finish what it was doing.

New bands
there is always this thing that when I write about the Stone Roses people start going on about new bands. On one level they are right, the world is clogged up with old bands but if they are great they deserve their space. Music belongs to no-one and an old band is as valid as a new one. It’s hard to believe that some of these people only like new bands- what weird way of listening to music. I listen to it all old new, heavy light, rock, pop, indie, African, blues- whatever- I grew up with John Peel, I like that eclectic thing and I will write about old or new bands.

The thing about not taking pictures at gigs
There was some internet anger about the ban on taking live shots and filming the gig. From the band’s point of view this was almost like a semi public rehearsal and not a normal gig. The security were politely asking people not to film the gig, maybe the band didn’t want stuff out on the internet, to be honest it was quite easy to film stuff and many people did.

The mystique
Even now one year in the band have retained their mystique, after the gig we were talking about this and how amazing that they have pulled this off in there twitter age. The band that can fade away when it wants to and return and no-one seems to tweet it. They can rehearse somewhere in the north and no-one spots them. They can re-emerge for a gig in Warrington, post it on their site at 4 in the afternoon , play, blow people minds and disappear again like some kind of rock n roll guerrilla unit.

The audience
Met some great people in there, some people from the Justice Tonight gigs, Clash fans who feel the link with the Roses down to that Ritz gig, that recognition of two bands that occupy similar positions in different generations, bands that meant something and remain to mean something as the years roll by, bands that wrote songs that are part of the DNA of modern life, songs that people copped off to, got off their heads to, got divorced to…the atmosphere was, of course, intense and the crowd singing along to bass lines, guitar riffs and choruses drowning out the band.

I Wanna be Adored
They had to open with it. I thought they may swerve it to be awkward, place it in the middle of the set like they used to but you can’t get round the fact that the song is one of the great rock n roll openers and sets the tone perfectly.

Ex members
It’s always great to see ex members of bands turning out years later and remaining part of the extended family, Funky Si Wolstencroft, whose book about his days as the drummer in the Roses is due soon was there and extolling the virtues of his replacement Reni and his former rhythm section buddy in the Roses, Pete Garner- the street walking cheetah himself was also there- as was Cressa who seemed to float in mid air- in some ways they retain eternal members of the extended family.

other songs?
After the gig there was talk of all the songs that have been worked out. I asked about Somethings Burning, one of my favourite roses songs- Mani said he had worked the song out and it will be in the set along with many other even less likely, curveball songs.

Guardian review
I reviewed the gig in the Guardian and got the usual bunch of comments from people who never sign their names to them. Lots of people claiming that Reni is a crap drummer and that I should have not reviewed the gig since I wrote a book on the band and like the band- it’s hardly the first time that someone who likes a band has been sent to review them is it? I won’t apologise for being enthusiastic and am glad I have escaped the sneery half grave of middle age where irony passes as a sense of humour.

the future?
Plenty of people going out to Barcelona, the European shows will be English away days, The summer festivals will play themselves out and the band will start work on the album and disappear again- maybe re-emerge in a year with an album and a tour with plenty of surprises on the way.

the double bass drum
Reni had a double bass drum- each bass drum with a lemon on it- he had wanted one for years and finally it had arrived- the legendary composite kit made up of bits of other kits has disappeared…

22 COMMENTS

  1. After watching it all unfold last night on Twitter, all i can say is thank fuck I’m going to see them in Amsterdam as well as Heaton park and Dublin because after last night, theres no way I could have waited another month and 6 days. Roll on June 12th!

  2. Mint review John. Wish I was there. Keep pressing Mani and the lads about Somethings Burning, what a tune! Just need to sell my arse now to get a ticket for Heaton Park

  3. Off to see them in Heaton Park and cannot wait. I am trying not to read reviews etc beofre it but when starved of the Stone Roses for years it’s hard not to.

  4. Amazing, can’t wait for Heaton Park….Friday :)

    I have to say the double bass drum is NOT cool. Its kinda thing I expect from Robbie Williams drummer but as its Reni & he’s the reason I picked up Drum sticks in the first place.

    peace

    • errrr….. Keith Moon regularly played with a double bass drum combo… Keith Moon and Reni – the COOLEST rock drummers ever….

  5. For someone to say that Reni is a crap drummer only shows how ignorant they are. Reni is as complex as a drummer gets in the most simplistic ways. being a drummer for over 30 years, its easy for armchair criitics to throw comments around like gum wrappers, these comments usually come from people who themselves are crap drummers, want to play drums or have always wanted to be in a band but cant learn to play an instrument. Reni does have a very unique sound and an almost cannibal rhythm, and is very much part of the Roses signature sound.

  6. Somethings burning is also one of my favourite Roses songs, so I’m very excited to hear about this.
    Looking forward to June 29th.

  7. Great to be at the gig. Hometown pride in abundance in Warrington last night and now huge anticipation building for heaton park. As for the Reni drbate; this 38 year old finally got round to buying my first kit 3 months ago in a sad attempt to be just like Mr Wren.

  8. Great article John – and thanks again for the great tweets last night. I suspect they’ve got another big surprise up their sleeves for over the Summer. Yes, there will probably be another couple of warm-up shows (hopefully one in Scotland, as they like playing here so much). Wouldn’t surprise me if they sneaked out a new track out suddenly ahead of Heaton Park.

  9. Been waiting for the chance to read this all day and well worth the wait.Wish I had been there.The band that soundtracked my youth still as important to me today as they were then . Cheers.

  10. …..”am glad I have escaped the sneery half grave of middle age where irony passes as a sense of humour”

    John Robb will you become king please?

    A1 response to the dead heads.

  11. Hi John,

    That lady who mentioned the food shop, is my wife.

    We were heading to Morrison’s to get the ‘big shop’ and I got a FB message from my mate ‘get a SR Record and get to the Parr Hall at 4’

    What a gig! Squire is now officially the greatest guitarist in the world.

    We had to go the chippy tonight, probably leave the big shop till next week and eat out in celebration

    Dave

  12. can’t wait after reading your review , ive ticktes for barcelona , heaton park, dublin and belfast. THIS IS THE ONE

  13. It is very easy to be cynical about all this Mancunian nostalgia we are now unavoidably drowning in. (I remember when Manchester used sneer at Liverpool’s Beatlemania) yet I suppose there is something quite beautiful about Squire and Brown reuniting and people being genuinely exciting about finally seeing perform live, I just could do without all the old ‘professionl manc’ men wittering on sycophanticly. Rent-a-gob idiot joy showtown. I mean if they had actually been quite poor live would Mr Robb actually have said such a thing? No of coarse not. Too busy fawning, saying the right things about all these old manchester acts, too closely connected, too tired, old and too out of touch. It’s almost like punk never happened…

  14. Mr Robb. Great article. It’s a treat to read about the thoughts of the band, and those close to them. I can’t wait for Friday. Back in 1990 I was 16 and my mum wouldn’t let me go up on the train from Birmingham to see them at Spike Island. I thought it wouldn’t really matter, because they seemed to be on the cusp of becoming super stars, and I thought I’d catch them again on the next tour. To paraphrase Noel Gallagher, they were the band for me that turned everything into colour. I ve waited 22 years to see these guys and it feels momentous. I only wish I’d still got my 22″ Joe Bloggs and loud shirts. I’m digging out my Reni hat and my money T shirt. I read your book a long time ago, and wanted to thank you for giving us a well written biog of the band. I’m glad your still there doing your stuff, cos there are thousands of Roses fans like me who appreciate it. See you there fella. Just don’t tell me mam!

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